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This guy says oil prices will "tank"

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:02 am
by cjensen
Good read...from Fortune



Why oil prices will tank
Arguments that $4-a-gallon gas (or even higher) is here to stay are dead wrong. Housing's boom-and-bust cycle tells you why.
By Shawn Tully, editor at large

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- High-flying tech stocks crashed. The roaring housing market crumbled. And oil, rest assured, will follow the same path down.

Not everyone agrees. In an echo of our most recent market frenzies, some experts pronounce that the "world has changed," and that the demand spikes, supply disruptions, and government bungling we face now will saddle us with a future of $4, $5 or even $10 a gallon gasoline.

But if you stick to basic economics, it's clear that the only question is when - not if - prices will succumb.

The oil bulls are correct in their explanations of why prices have jumped. It's indisputable that worldwide demand has surged, chiefly driven by strong growth in China, India and the Middle East. It's also true that most of the world's reserves are controlled by governments in places like Russia and Venezuela that mismanage production, thus curtailing supply growth.

But rather than forming a permanent new plateau for prices - as the bulls contend - those forces are causing a classically unstable market that's destined for a steep fall.

In a normal oil market, the cost of producing the last, most expensive barrel of oil needed to satisfy worldwide demand sets the price for every barrel the world over. Other auction commodity markets work much the same way.

So even if Saudi Arabia produces at $4 a barrel, if the final, multi-millionth barrel required to heat houses and run cars costs $50, and is produced, for argument's sake, at a flagging field in West Texas, the world price is $50. That's what economists call the equilibrium price: It's where the price that customers are willing to pay meets the production cost, including a cushion, naturally, for profit or "the cost of capital."

But today, the sudden surge in demand and the production bottlenecks have thrown the market radically out of balance.

Almost exactly the same thing happened in the housing market. And both housing and oil supply react to a surge in demand with a long lag. In housing, the lag is caused by restrictive zoning and development laws, especially in coastal markets like California and Florida.

So when the economy roared back in 2002 and 2003, builders couldn't turn out homes fast enough for buyers armed with those cheap mortgages. As a result, prices spiked. They no longer bore any relation to the actual cost of buying and improving land, or constructing and marketing a new house (at some reasonable profit margin). Instead, frenzied buyers were setting the price.

Because builders were reaping huge windfall profits, they rushed to buy and develop land. And sure enough, those new houses were ready just as buyers were retreating to the sidelines because they could no longer afford to buy a home. That vast overhang of unsold homes is what's driving down prices today.

The story is much the same with oil, with a twist. A big swath of the market isn't really paying that $125 a barrel number you hear about seemingly every hour. In China, India and the Middle East, governments are heavily subsidizing oil for their consumers and corporations, leading to rampant over-consumption - and driving up prices even more.

But sooner or later the world won't keep paying those prices: Eventually, the price must fall back to the cost of that last barrel to clear the market.

So what does that barrel cost today? According to Stephen Brown, an economist at the Dallas Federal Reserve, that final barrel costs just $50 to produce. And when the price is $125, the incentive to pour out more oil, like homebuilders' incentive to build more two years ago, is irresistible.

It takes a while to develop new supplies of oil, but the signs of a surge are already in place. Shale oil costing around $70 a barrel is now being produced in the Dakotas. Tar sands are attracting investment in Canada, also at around $70. New technology could soon minimize the pollution caused by producing oil from our super-plentiful supplies of coal.

"History suggests that when there's this much money to be made, new supplies do get developed," says Brown.

That's just the supply side of the equation. Demand should start to decline as well, albeit gradually.

"Historically, the oil market has under-anticipated the amount of conservation brought on by high prices," says Brown. Sales of big cars are collapsing; Americans are cutting down on driving. The airlines are scaling back flights.

We've learned another important lesson from the housing market: The longer prices stay stratospheric, the worse the eventual crash - simply because the higher the prices and bigger the profit margins, the bigger the incentive to over-produce.

It's even possible that, a few years hence, we could see a sustained period of plentiful oil supplies and low prices, meaning $50 or below.

A similar scenario occurred following the price explosion in the 1970s and early 1980s. The price spike caused the world to cut back sharply on oil consumption. By the mid-80s, oil prices had fallen from almost $40 to around $15. They remained extremely low for two decades.

It's impossible to predict how the adjustment this time will take shape, just as it was in housing. There the surge in supply came in places the experts swore there was "no supply," and wouldn't be any. Builders found a way to extend vast tracts of homes into California's Inland Empire and Central Valley, and even build "in-fill" projects near the densely-populated coasts.

An earlier bubble is also instructive. In the early 1980s silver prices jumped from $10 to $50 on the theory that the world was facing a permanent shortage of silver. Suddenly ads appeared asking homeowners to bring their tea sets and jewelry to Holiday Inns for a big price. Silver supplies poured from seemingly nowhere, out of America's cupboards, of all places.

And so it will be with oil. We don't know where the new abundance will come from, from shale, or tar sands or coal or an OPEC desperate to regain market share. We just know that it will appear. With prices like these, it always does.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:50 am
by Spike
Interesting read.

Interesting read, but there are many other factors in 2008

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:44 am
by Planeless
Yes, its interesting to read an expert opinion like that, but I find that no expert really gives the big picture for readers of their piece. I worked in the engineering side of the Petro-Chemical industry so I have been paying close attention to the oil issue for at least 25 years or so. The World demand is way up for Petroleum. Did anyone see the History/Discovery channel report on China's highway building program? By 2013, they said, that China's super highway system will surpass the total size of ours, and it is more modern than ours in a lot of ways. Other countries are doing the same thing. Not only has this increased the demand for oil, but there are other huge demands for items like Cement to make Concrete. Concrete is used for highways, but so is Asphalt and it is made from Petroleum which not everyone thinks about anymore than they think about Plastics being made from Petroleum. Too many voters think we can get rid of "evil Oil" tomorrow and replace it with a "green magic new fuel". Even if a whiz kid invented "green magic" in his garage tomorrow, it would take years and years to design and build the industrial facilities to produce it. I think you all get the picture on this by now. The only way in my humble opinion we can keep the economy of this country working, and it runs on oil, is by drilling for it to increase our supply and become independent of OPEC. We have it, lets drill for it. That is why I logged on to www.americansolutions.com and signed the the Drill for oil now petition. The idea is to get enough signatures to overcome the power of the enviromentalists that are blocking oil companys from drilling.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:30 am
by svanarts
We ran an article in our paper on a local oil company owner. He echoed many of the same things said in the above article. Another contributing factor in oil prices is the weak dollar.

Read Shawn Tulley's article again

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:39 pm
by Planeless
I am still following the oil situation as I am sure all of you are. The prospect of building an airplane we couldn't afford to fly is disheartening to say the least. Mr Tulley gives a a fair appraisal of the situation except for one very important aspect. Oil as a commodity is in a class by itself as far as its universal importance to just about everyone. What Mr. Tulley says would be far more reasonable to me, I don't have the knowledge to argue with him, if he would have mentioned the political component of the high fuel prices. It seems to me that the whole situation with the oil shortage and high fuel prices, is because the whole situation is being politicized almost as much as the war in Iraq has been from the start. The excuse for not allowing the oil companies to explore and drill so they could meet the demand is climate control, in other words global warming. Since the government and the special interest gang didn't allow the law of supply and demand to work as it should have for decades now, the oil companies probably figured out how to have the law of supply and demand work their way at times. If we were in their shoes, we probably would have done the same?? If politicizing the Iraq war and no doubt getting more American soldiers killed than might have been without the politicizing didn't bother these ----------- politicians, do you think they care about high gas prices??? I think they are very happy about what is happening and they view it as a means to eventually increase their political power, and that is all that really matters to them. I left the politician names out, on purpose, we all know the names. I keep hearing bits and pieces on the news that fit into the big picture on oil and a lot of it smells. I know I am getting cynical in my old age, but my nose still works very well. I think this mess is going to get a lot worse because it isn't like most other World commodities. Oil and gas prices are going to be a big deal in this election, I know you can see that coming. The gas shortages in the 70s were contrived, but this one is real because the World has really changed as far as the demand for oil. It seems to me this problem really needs a political solution but what are the politicians doing, they are blaming it on the oil companies of course and the 50 and 60 million dollar salaries of the oil executives make it very believable to the average voter that only follow politics during the campaigns. This mess is really starting to look like it could cause a recession/depression or maybe worse? So, am I just a cynically old fool or are some of you starting to be concerned about all of this also. I think the politicians deserve most of the blame, agree?? (I am not trying to justify those sky high salaries, but the oil companies can still be the solution, they have to be don't they?, what other choice is there to bring the costs down?)

Gobs of crude oil on Gull island

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:40 am
by Planeless
A caller to Sean Hannity's show talked about Gull island so I Googled it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Gu ... gle+Search

Here is the link, you can take it from here without any more opinions from me.