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transferring a kit?
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:50 am
by prestwich
Hypothetically speaking, let's say Party B purchases a partially built kit from Party A. Assuming Party B actually finishes the airplane, how will this affect his ability to obtain a repairman's certificate for the plane?
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:54 am
by cjensen
All you need is proof that the airplane was completed 51% by an amateur...doesn't matter if it was you or not. A log with pictures showing that a non-paid individual/amateur built it, including the part that you finished, will suffice for you getting the repairman's certificate, AS LONG AS NO ONE ELSE HAS APPLIED for that specific airplane in the past.
We're doing the same thing on the Thatcher CX-4 project that we just picked up.
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:02 am
by prestwich
cool, thanks, Chad!
transferring a kit?
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:16 am
by Spike
Are you sure Chad? I believe that to be correct for getting eab status but I thought there was a higher bar for getting the repair certificate. As in the applicant had to build the majority.
Spike
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All you need is proof that the airplane was completed 51% by an amateur...doesn't matter if it was you or not. A log with pictures showing that a non-paid individual/amateur built it, including the part that you finished, will suffice for you getting the repairman's certificate, AS LONG AS NO ONE ELSE HAS APPLIED for that specific airplane in the past. We're doing the same thing on the Thatcher CX-4 project that we just picked up.Chad Jensen EAA Technical Counselor N755CB|RV-7
RV-7 Build Log Thatcher CX4 on deck Hummel Bird plans on the bench rivetbangers.com - Discussion topic
http://www.rivetbangers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=36916#36916
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transferring a kit?
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:44 am
by pazmanyflyer
I think this will help with clarity on the issue. This has recently been also brought up on the "other" forum too. Brad Oliver responded because he's doing just that, seller A to Buyer B.
Carlos in Arizona
Brad wrote:
I've been getting many questions regarding the 51% rule and the Repairman's Certificate for pre-owned kits, so I thought I would save a little of everyone's time by commenting publicly.
To answer your 51% / Repairman's Cert questions, please read this page on the EAA's site...
http://www.eaa.org/govt/ab_qa.asp
Specifically...
Q: I bought a partially completed project. How does the FAA handle the work already done by the previous owner (none of it commercial), and will that affect my ability to get the repairman authorization or have it certificated?
A: If you are purchasing a kit from another amateur-builder, you need to obtain evidence—logs, pictures, etc.—from the previous builder sufficient to show that the major portion of the aircraft was completed by amateurs. The FAA does count the previous amateur-builder work as amateur-completed tasks. The total of all tasks completed by all amateur builders (yourself and any before or after you) must be the major portion (that is, more than 51 percent) of the total tasks. As long as this is the case, the aircraft is eligible for an amateur-built airworthiness certificate.
Eligibility for a repairman certificate is not based on percentage of work accomplished on an amateur-built project. The eligibility for the certificate requires that the applicant was one of the builders and “show to the satisfaction of the Administrator that the individual has the requisite skill to determine whether the aircraft is in a condition for safe operations.” The FAA is not required to issue a repairman certificate to any builder regardless of the percentage of work he or she may have done on a project unless it can determine the individual has the skills necessary to determine the aircraft in question is in a condition for safe operation.
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transferring a kit?
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:46 am
by Spike
Excellent!!
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I think this will help with clarity on the issue. This has recently been also brought up on the "other" forum too. Brad Oliver responded because he's doing just that, seller A to Buyer B. Carlos in Arizona Brad wrote: I've been getting many questions regarding the 51% rule and the Repairman's Certificate for pre-owned kits, so I thought I would save a little of everyone's time by commenting publicly. To answer your 51% / Repairman's Cert questions, please read this page on the EAA's site...
http://www.eaa.org/govt/ab_qa.asp Specifically... Q: I bought a partially completed project. How does the FAA handle the work already done by the previous owner (none of it commercial), and will that affect my ability to get the repairman authorization or have it certificated? A: If you are purchasing a kit from another amateur-builder, you need to obtain evidence—logs, pictures, etc.—from the previous builder sufficient to show that the major portion of the aircraft was completed by amateurs. The FAA does count the previous amateur-builder work as amateur-completed tasks. The total of all tasks completed by all amateur builders (yourself and any before or after you) must be the major portion (that is, more than 51 percent) of the total tasks. As long as this is the case, the aircraft is eligible for an amateur-built airworthiness certificate. Eligibility for a repairman certificate is not based on percentage of work accomplished on an amateur-built project. The eligibility for the certificate requires that the applicant was one of the builders and “show to the satisfaction of the Administrator that the individual has the requisite skill to determine whether the aircraft is in a condition for safe operations.” The FAA is not required to issue a repairman certificate to any builder regardless of the percentage of work he or she may have done on a project unless it can determine the individual has the skills necessary to determine the aircraft in question is in a condition for safe operation. Submitted via email rivetbangers.com - Discussion topic
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:34 pm
by Lorin Dueck
All -
I understand that there can only be 1 repairman certificate issued per aircraft.
So if you have multiple builders working on one plane - I suggest you discuss who should apply for the certificate.
In my case - I'm building an RV-9A... with my Dad helping out whenever he can.
Since it's likely I will be flying longer than he - I will be applying for the certificate.
Lorin D
RV-9A SB (just flipepd the canoe!)
N194LD
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:20 pm
by cjensen
You are correct Lorin...one RC per airplane.