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Is extremely close multi ship side by side formation safe?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:32 am
by Brantel
Question on the safety of extremely close multi ship side by side formation (wingtip to wingtip)....is it a safe formation?
Uneducated pilots want to know!
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:52 am
by cbkillion
I thought the same thing. It looked like there was no room for an out and if there was some contact it would cause a domino-like effect with contact going down the line. Not saying that they weren't being safe, it just looked like a little more hairy situation than the flying V with less room for error.
Take this with a grain of salt. Not only am I uneducated, I'm not even a pilot.
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:07 am
by painless
Makes you wonder what sort of legal papers had to be signed by all participants......
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:39 am
by Spike
I was wondering if this was going to come up. I assume that we are referring to the Mythbusters episode? There didn't appear to be much room for error.
Interesting thing to do with passengers on board.
Spike
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:17 pm
by Brantel
Yep and yep....
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:31 pm
by captain_john
Brantel wrote:Yep and yep....but we are not allowed to discuss it over there. Too bad!
WOW!!! That is so hypocritical coming from someone who only flies wearing nomex underoos!
I think this is a perfectly VALID question and in the spirit of education and safety, I would like to chat it up!
Just recently the formation bug has bitten me once again and we have been considering polishing our collective skills and have a desire to learn.
We have done some simple 2 ship stuff but would like to take things a bit further in the future as skills are acquired.
Hmmm, maybe I am not worthy of asking these questions? I am not superpilot material. I should be ashamed.
CJ
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:11 pm
by Spike
Bring it dude. It could be a fun conversation. Its welcome here, you know that.
Spike
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:19 am
by captain_john
Brian, from the limited formation education that I have, I am told that when you are in formation and have a problem you are expected to pull up to depart the group. Even with no power the group will depart your proximity quickly and you can then do what is required to your plane.
This is called "bugging out" from what I recall. Perhaps Wicked Stick could elaborate?
I know that he used to fly with the Clipper formation group around here and he is the one who explained this to me.
CJ
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:40 am
by painless
captain_john wrote:Brian, from the limited formation education that I have, I am told that when you are in formation and have a problem you are expected to pull up to depart the group. Even with no power the group will depart your proximity quickly and you can then do what is required to your plane.
This is called "bugging out" from what I recall. Perhaps Wicked Stick could elaborate?
I know that he used to fly with the Clipper formation group around here and he is the one who explained this to me.
CJ
Wow CJ! That was a very lucid, intelligent response! And at 6:19 in the morning too!
Is extremely close multi ship side by side formation safe?
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:15 am
by pazmanyflyer
Either he's been up all night building and on his second wind or that is some great coffee!
Carlos in Arizona
On 12/3/2011 6:40 AM, RB Lists - The Hangar wrote:
captain_john wrote: Brian, from the limited formation education that I have, I am told that when you are in formation and have a problem you are expected to pull up to depart the group. Even with no power the group will depart your proximity quickly and you can then do what is required to your plane.
This is called "bugging out" from what I recall. Perhaps Wicked Stick could elaborate?
I know that he used to fly with the Clipper formation group around here and he is the one who explained this to me.
CJ
Wow CJ! That was a very lucid, intelligent response! And at 6:19 in the morning too!
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:40 pm
by captain_john
Guys, I wish that I could take credit for being the sharp tack that you so strongly admire, but noooo...
It was already 9 AM here on the East Coast!
CJ
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:23 pm
by Wicked Stick
http://www.teamrv.us/coppermine/index.php?cat=4
Here's a good place to get a lot of documentation on formation flying with RV's.
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:34 am
by Brantel
I have skimmed thru all the stuff I could find including the TeamRV stuff on formation flying and the T34 manual and I have not seen any mention of this being an approved formation. Maybe I missed it but if I did not, seems they left that one out for a reason.....