Firewall forward kit

tshort · Post by **tshort** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:32 am

Bill and I were talking about this yesterday ... I didn't realize there was another "kit" to buy ... on the order of $4K or so!
I guess you can piece this stuff together yourself but I doubt it would save much money.
What are you guys planning on doing? I wonder why they don't include this on the "kit price" total... ?

Thomas

captain_john · Post by **captain_john** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:52 am

Yup, Tis stuff you could put together yourself.

Mostly motor stuff and therefore not sheetmetal and it probably would be incorrect to call it part of the "kit".

Other kit makers don't do it either.

They do say that if you are going Lycosaurus, it makes a good package price!

CJ

cjensen · Post by **cjensen** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:25 am

Ahhh, the firewall forward kit...

That is the reason that the Eggaru package becomes attractively priced. The clone engines do look like a bargin, until you start adding the firewall forward kit and such...with everything added up, they are really close, and the Egg package is actually a little cheaper when as CS prop is put together with a traditional engine. Not trying to start any flame wars here, and I may end up with a clone, but people do tend to forget about the additional costs of firewall forward stuff.

Post by **Spike** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:28 am

... but people do tend to forget about the additional costs of
firewall
forward stuff. [Rolling Eyes]

Thats par of the course. The thing that I noticed is that with the FWF (and
electrical kit for that matter) is that you really need to be on board with
doing the way they set it up. Once you deviate it almost makes sense to just
get everthing on yer own.

- John

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Bob Barrett · Post by **Bob Barrett** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:01 pm

I have put mine together myself. I am not anywhere near four thousand. Certainly there are some advantages. I am still working on my baffels but that would be true even if I bought the kit.

JohnR · Post by **JohnR** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:50 pm

So what all is in this kit? Does anyone have the packing list from Van's that shows what it includes? It would help a person make a more informed decision about which way to go.

4kilo · Post by **4kilo** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:53 am

Remember that the exact parts in the firewall forward kit will depend on the model of RV you are building, the engine, and the prop. This is the raw packing list for an RV-8 with a Superior XP-IO-360 and a constant speed prop (note that some items will still need to be substituted to provide for the horizontal induction on this engine):

FF-8 IO-360M1B C/S FIREWALL FORWARD KIT
2.000 CT Q-60 QUADRANT CABLE 60"
1.000 CT Q-55 QUADRANT CABLE 55"
1.000 FAB-HORIZ INDUCTIO IO-360 180/200 HP
1.000 IO-360 THROTTLE/MI CABLE ATTACH KIT
1.000 PLASTIC TIE WRAP 5 NYLON TIE 70-0108
1.000 VA-136 FUEL LINE IO-360 23"
1.000 PROP GOV MT P-860- (I)O-320/360 LYCOMING
1.000 VA-183-PC MT GOV CABLE BRACKET
1.000 BAF-6-360 COWL BAF 6/7/8
1.000 VENT DL-05 1 3/4 EXH HEAT MUFF
1.000 VA-139 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 16.5
1.000 AA6-063X3/4X3/4X9" ALUM ANGLE
F.WALL FWD COM M1B 8 ------SUB-KIT--------
1.000 AT0-028X3/16X6 FOR F.WALL KIT
1.000 AT6-058X5/16X15 7/ ALUM TUBE C-610
2.000 SS304-26GAX1/2X9 SCAT CLAMP !!SHARP!!
1.000 FF 3/4 FIREWALL PL SS FIREWALL PLUG
1.000 EA LV-1 HEAT SHIEL EXHAUST HEAT SHIELD
2.000 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
1.000 DUCT CBT-5/8 COOLING BLAST TUBE
1.000 EA CV HOSE 9816 BREATHER HOSE 4 CYL
1.000 EA DYNA BOLT BOLT SET 4 CYL DYNAFL
4.000 EA DYNA VI-STD VIBRATION ISOLATOR
1.000 EA EXH 8 IO-360M RV-8 180HP EXHAUST
1.000 EA OIL COOLER II O-320/360 OIL COOLER
1.000 ES 24021 STARTER SOLENOID 2OUT
1.000 ES 24115 MASTER RELAY
1.000 ES ALTERNATOR 60A ALTERNATOR & BOSS MNT
1.000 ES WH-8 FWD HARNESS, FWD BATTERY
1.000 FF-705 BREATHER TUBE
1.000 FF-709 OIL COOLER DOUBLER
1.000 IE VMP INSTALL KIT FITTINGS/HOSES
1.000 PT-035X1/4X12 FUEL OVERFLOW TUBE
1.000 VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5
1.000 VA-168 SENDER MOUNT
1.000 VA-133 OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25
1.000 VA-134 OIL COOLER HOSE 19.0
1.000 VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5
1.000 VENT DL-03 2" ALUM FLANGE
1.000 VENT SCAT 2X6' SCAT TUBE X 6 FT
1.000 VENT TG-10 CABIN HEAT SELECTOR
1.000 AS3-063X1 1/2X4 6A--8/8A (INCHES)
1.000 AT0-035X3/8X24 SOFT ALUM TUBE
0.500 F AE102-11 FIRESLEEVE $/FT
0.250 EA HOSE H177 IO SNIFFLE HOSE $/FT
1.000 BAG 626-1 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360
1.000 BAG 627-1 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360
1.000 BAG 628 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360
1.000 BAG 629 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360
1.000 BAG 958 AN426AD3-4 RIVETS
1.000 BAG 991 AN426AD3-3.5
1.000 BAG 1934 AN426AD3-5
1.000 BAG 1935 AN426AD3-6
1.000 BAG 1978 AN470AD4-5
1.000 BAG 1979 AN470AD4-4
1.000 AS3-063X1X12 ALUM STRIP
1.000 CT BEARING HWR, PR BOLT, NUT, WASHERS
1.000 CT BEARING MW-3M THROTTLE ATTACH ASSEM
1.000 DOC FWF COMPLETE TEXT/DWGS

Hope this helps,

Pat

captain_john · Post by **captain_john** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:44 am

Rumor has it, the FF Kit is a worthwhile investment. It is supposed to save time and effort, but not much money (if any).

Also I hear that the factory Van's baffles are weak and don't last too well. Maybe making your own would be advisable. I think I will make mine out of thicker material when the time comes.

...at least the parts that look flimsy.

CJ

Snap · Post by **Snap** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:02 am

If you get the Vans baffles, you could beef 'em up a bit. Just add abit of stuff here and there where you think they might be weakest?

Bob Barrett · Post by **Bob Barrett** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:06 am

Van's Baffels come with instructions concerning beefing up the baffels. If you are a good experienced A&P and have made baffels it can probably be done but if you are a first timer at it like I am buy them!!! I have been working on my since June and have some work left to do. I am trying to avoid having to order new parts because I screwed up. I am not a fast or experienced builder. I have three friends who have used Van's baffels and none have had trouble with theirs and some of them have a lot of hours on their airplane. I think the material is strong enough.

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