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OK! Enough!!!
Let's not continue to harp on Ian....
The point's been made.
Remember - this is the friendly (AKA "safe" site) to post your thoughts & experiences....
I think it took a lot of guts for members to post some of things they said on this thread.
Every time I read about 1st hand experiences like this - I learn something...
That's my 2 cents worth.....
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It's threads like this one when I really appreciate our membership. On many internet forums (non-aviation included), this could have gotten seriously out of hand. Because our members are (or at least act like,Lorin Dueck wrote:I think it took a lot of guts for members to post some of things they said on this thread.
Every time I read about 1st hand experiences like this - I learn something...
) mature adults, we can discuss these types of things without donning the flame suits.Thanks everyone.
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I think we have remembered that. I have seen nothing that was mean spirited or said to cause ridicule or to disparage.Lorin Dueck wrote: Remember - this is the friendly (AKA "safe" site) to post your thoughts & experiences....
Maybe, but everything said appears to have been done so in a non-hostile manor without intention of harm or flame.I think it took a lot of guts for members to post some of things they said on this thread.
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Criticism is good
Actually per Spike's post, I am really happy that a bunch of people stepped up and said in a friendly manner -- "that was dumb." I would expect my friends or for that matter anyone who cared about me or even just about this hobby of ours to do the same. Hopefully I would have the maturity to say, "you're right, that was dumb."
You know it's really healthy to debrief and critique your performance after even the most simple flight. You can learn a lot that way. If it's good enough for the Blue Angels I think we could probably learn from it too.
By way of example, John, Kevin and I flew down to the Cape a couple weekends ago in the Diamond. Here are some of the mental notes I made as a result of that flight: 1) we took off from PYM about 20 pounds overweight. I didn't view it as a major error since density altitude was not an issue at sea level in the winter and the cg was minimally affected, but I definitely wouldn't want to make a habit of doing this, and in fact I have never done it before. 2) Taking off from PYM I didn't confirm that my copilot hit every check list item. As a result we took off without flaps on a plane that requires them for takeoff. Not good practice. Had I combined 1 and 2 on a high density altitude day you guys might be reading an accident report. 3) landing on the Cape the strip was shorter than I had flown into in a while (about 2000 feet), so I dragged us in low and slow to make sure I had all of the runway I needed. We used about half of the runway, but the guys got a pretty good view of the apple trees on final. Had I lost power we would have been in trouble. 4) I overturned base to final 5) I flared too high and dropped it on from maybe a foot up. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't perfect. 6) I was a bit off centerline on landing and rollout.
In my opinion this constant criticism of my performance and my attempts to improve makes me a better pilot.
You know it's really healthy to debrief and critique your performance after even the most simple flight. You can learn a lot that way. If it's good enough for the Blue Angels I think we could probably learn from it too.
By way of example, John, Kevin and I flew down to the Cape a couple weekends ago in the Diamond. Here are some of the mental notes I made as a result of that flight: 1) we took off from PYM about 20 pounds overweight. I didn't view it as a major error since density altitude was not an issue at sea level in the winter and the cg was minimally affected, but I definitely wouldn't want to make a habit of doing this, and in fact I have never done it before. 2) Taking off from PYM I didn't confirm that my copilot hit every check list item. As a result we took off without flaps on a plane that requires them for takeoff. Not good practice. Had I combined 1 and 2 on a high density altitude day you guys might be reading an accident report. 3) landing on the Cape the strip was shorter than I had flown into in a while (about 2000 feet), so I dragged us in low and slow to make sure I had all of the runway I needed. We used about half of the runway, but the guys got a pretty good view of the apple trees on final. Had I lost power we would have been in trouble. 4) I overturned base to final 5) I flared too high and dropped it on from maybe a foot up. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't perfect. 6) I was a bit off centerline on landing and rollout.
In my opinion this constant criticism of my performance and my attempts to improve makes me a better pilot.
Lorin Dueck wrote:All -
OK! Enough!!!
Let's not continue to harp on Ian....
The point's been made.
Remember - this is the friendly (AKA "safe" site) to post your thoughts & experiences....
I think it took a lot of guts for members to post some of things they said on this thread.
Every time I read about 1st hand experiences like this - I learn something...
That's my 2 cents worth.....
Lorin D.
Very well said Antony, and I agree 100%.
I don't feel that ANY of the posts in this thread are/were out of line, and we all feel like Ian is a friend. Therefore, we MUST say SOMETHING. Things like this are what hanger stories are made of...another six inches lower in that dropped turn are what funerals are made of.
Ian and Dan, or any of us that have done silly, irresponsible things before, NEED TO HEAR it from friends.
I don't feel that ANY of the posts in this thread are/were out of line, and we all feel like Ian is a friend. Therefore, we MUST say SOMETHING. Things like this are what hanger stories are made of...another six inches lower in that dropped turn are what funerals are made of.
Ian and Dan, or any of us that have done silly, irresponsible things before, NEED TO HEAR it from friends.
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Antony, sounds like I should have kissed the ground upon landing!
That checklist is terrible! Make your own before you fly that thing again!
I ALWAYS make my own checklist and learn much about the plane in the process. I have made one for every plane I fly and use it on all but the most simple airplanes.
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That checklist is terrible! Make your own before you fly that thing again!
I ALWAYS make my own checklist and learn much about the plane in the process. I have made one for every plane I fly and use it on all but the most simple airplanes.
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got it
I got my checklist back. The person I got it from had another copy.
Yeah, that aftermarket list that is in the plane stinks. In fact I would argue that it is unsafe.
Yeah, that aftermarket list that is in the plane stinks. In fact I would argue that it is unsafe.