Fuel cost OUTRAGE!

ndoetsch · Post by **ndoetsch** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:13 am

In Germany we pay 2.30 Euro per litre AvGas, or 8,75 Euro per gallon this is $13,70.
Flying my RV8 adds up to around $140,- per hour and that is fuel only.

My next RV will have a Diesel-Power plant. Pity that Thielert has gone Chapter-11 last week, last thing Iâ€™ve heared is Cessna (Textron) might buy the company.

Norbert

TomNativeNewYorker · Post by **TomNativeNewYorker** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:23 pm

weezbad wrote:maybe i should ask my brother, as he boiled water for twenty years in the NAVY.

Ah, OK a cook!

svanarts · Post by **svanarts** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:08 pm

I thought the cooks delegated boiling water to the nukes because it was a waste of the cooks' talents.

captain_john · Post by **captain_john** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:32 pm

Willie, if spent fuel rods were the extent of all the haz waste we would be sitting pretty.

The lion's share (80-90% depending on whom you listen to) is OTHER than from energy production.

High on the list is medical waste and government coming in second as I recall.

Besides, if we did store it up for a decade and then shoot it into orbit and track it for eternity who would know? Theoretically, we could rendezvous with it in 10 years and add another load to it! Either that or simply store it on the dark side of the moon!

...or in Maine like we do now!

John Tipton, we are not lucky. You are SCREWED! Besides, if anyone is lucky, it is you! You are lucky that your country is so small (a little larger than Wisconsin as I recall). People there don't have 100 mile daily commutes. You also have a much more complete public transportation system.

I am not saying that anyone deserves these exorbitant prices. We all are being screwed! We shouldn't look to others and consider them better off because the cost is slightly less. We should look to our friends and feel sorry for them as well.

Willie is right again. That is only about $7 per US gallon. We are over half of that right now and it is still going up DAILY!

The truckers organizing the convoy through Washington DC had signs that read: America is going broke because of oil.

Sad, but true. The cost of everything is getting out of control and nobody has seen a pay increase that I know of... besides lawmakers and oil men!

CJ

weezbad · Post by **weezbad** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:13 pm

svanarts wrote:I thought the cooks delegated boiling water to the nukes because it was a waste of the cooks' talents.

oh i see, glad to see you boys having fun with this...i know i do.

aparchment · Post by **aparchment** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:02 pm

captain_john wrote: Besides, if we did store it up for a decade and then shoot it into orbit and track it for eternity who would know? Theoretically, we could rendezvous with it in 10 years and add another load to it! Either that or simply store it on the dark side of the moon!

...or in Maine like we do now!

Oy, not in my backyard buddy! Of course with our dumbass governor we will probably end up as the nuclear storage site for the entire country because there is a buck in it that might help bail out his inane fiscal policies.

Oops, forgot to take my valium this evening.

Wicked Stick · Post by **Wicked Stick** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:29 pm

ndoetsch wrote:In Germany we pay 2.30 Euro per litre AvGas, or 8,75 Euro per gallon this is $13,70.
Flying my RV8 adds up to around $140,- per hour and that is fuel only.

My next RV will have a Diesel-Power plant. Pity that Thielert has gone Chapter-11 last week, last thing Iâ€™ve heared is Cessna (Textron) might buy the company.

Norbert

Diesel fuel is more expensive than regular over here by a lot.. And for the first time I've seen it, Jet A is now more than AvGas.

AntiGravity · Post by **AntiGravity** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:43 am

captain_john wrote:John Tipton, we are not lucky. You are SCREWED! Besides, if anyone is lucky, it is you! You are lucky that your country is so small (a little larger than Wisconsin as I recall). People there don't have 100 mile daily commutes. You also have a much more complete public transportation system.

Ooo, CJ, I gotta take issue with this statement. You have no idea, man! I'm English (though now living in NZ) and I was lucky to have just 50 miles each way from Kent into London and back. Many of my colleagues had way more than that. The trouble is that property prices in the city are so high (or were 15 years ago) that the banks simply wouldn't lend you the money for the mortgage. They were quite happy to lend you 25% of that amount for a house *miles* away even though the cost of travel + lower mortgage was then more than the cost of the higher mortage in the first place. I couldn't afford a single room studio flat in London, but bought a 3-bed house 50 miles away and spent more of travel. I don't suppose for one second that anything has changed there. Which is why I'm in NZ where I get upset at anything over 20mins on the way home after work!!

Cheers,

Post by **Spike** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:31 am

Now that is interesting. I had thought that particular travel / distance problem was not wide spread outside of the US.

John

RV7Factory · Post by **RV7Factory** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:39 pm

Did anybody catch "Nova - Car of the Future on PBS last week". Great show!

Let's see... From the 70's to the mid-80's (maybe it was the 80's to the 90's) average MPG roughly doubled to around 22 MPG. How do we utilize that gas savings, we build even bigger, heavier, more poweful cars. The end result being that average MPG has remained static for the past 10 years.

The solution is simple... as American's we need to change our behavior and stop buying the biggest baddest cars and SUVs we can. Say it to yourself... I do not *need* an H2 or an Escalade!

What's that in my garage? Nothing! It's not an airplane, it's a psychology experiment. And that's not far from the truth!

svanarts · Post by **svanarts** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:41 pm

captain_john wrote:Besides, if we did store it up for a decade and then shoot it into orbit and track it for eternity who would know? Theoretically, we could rendezvous with it in 10 years and add another load to it! Either that or simply store it on the dark side of the moon!

...or in Maine like we do now!

Hmmmm.... one more reason to not visit Maine.

svanarts · Post by **svanarts** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:48 pm

The fuel prices have gotten me so upset that I have actually taken to riding my bike to work. Those of you who have met me know that I'm not exactly a fitness freak so this is no small matter to me. I'm going to hang a sign off the back of the bike that reads "Sticking it to OPEC." The only thing we can do to lower the price is to lower the demand.

And if the OPEC nations decide to adopt the Euro over the US dollar as their currency of choice it will get decidedly worse.

captain_john · Post by **captain_john** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:15 pm

Jeff, Kevin Johnson is currently doing an 81 statute mile (each way)commute.

Antony, how long is yours? 120 miles each way? Maybe more???

I would like to to make an electric car and drive it to school where I can plug it in and drive home again! I am fortunate to have a mere 11 mile commute. It is the shortest commute of my life. I used to do 3-4,000 miles each month when I was in sales! Glad I am not doing that anymore! Of course, I made more money back then.

Any way you slice it, fuel is a RIPOFF!

CJ

JohnR · Post by **JohnR** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:04 pm

My commute is about 27 steps, from the upstairs to the office.

I do have to go to Cedar Rapids about once every week or two which is a 100 mile round trip. The worst thing is the airport is 30 some miles away.

So that is a 60 mile round trip.

I'm not sure it is all demand driving the price, speculation is having a fair amount of impact also. The whole Venezuela thing is really irritating. Check their gas prices! Maybe we should be charging for corn and other grains in relation to what oil is per barrel.

We need to go after some of our own oil like that in North Dakota.

captain_john · Post by **captain_john** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:25 pm

John, I heard that about the fuel price down there.

Check out this link:

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/ ... gasprices/

Pathetic!

CJ

weezbad · Post by **weezbad** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:39 pm

cmon, you guys surely know why its that cheap there....no body has any money and they probally work all week for 3 bucks.

1:1_Scale · Post by **1:1_Scale** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:19 pm

I haven't driven my car in nearly 6 months (work from home), and my wife works 3 miles away, so we've been spending about $40 in gas every other week.

I feel that all of the talk (on other forums too) about fuel prices is generally pretty short sighted. There's all kinds of talk about record oil prices and high demand in China and India, but by some strange coincidence, gold prices have very closely matched oil prices over the last ten years or so but we don't hear about increased demand for gold

To me, the issue is a government that spends money like it's going out of style, and it's easy to do when you get to print it! More money in circulation= lower value for that unit of currency= prices go up- usually faster than wages. Everytime there's some headline about "oil at $120/barrel!" I view that more of a scale on how worthless our money is becoming more than record profits for the oil companies. And they ARE showing record profits $ wise, but it doesn't mean as much when the $ isn't worth what it used to be..... My worthless $.02

TomNativeNewYorker · Post by **TomNativeNewYorker** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:58 am

svanarts wrote:I thought the cooks delegated boiling water to the nukes because it was a waste of the cooks' talents.

Trust me, Navy cooks have absolutely NO TALENT. I spent a total of 18 months 'haze gray and underway' time on a carrier and that is a fact. The cooks on shore duty are a little, but not much better because the food is a little fresher.

weezbad · Post by **weezbad** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:20 am

now my brother spent 20 years on subs and swears the food there was great...i was in the Army and the food was usually ok but never great. well the omletes were good

TomNativeNewYorker · Post by **TomNativeNewYorker** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:56 am

weezbad wrote:now my brother spent 20 years on subs and swears the food there was great

Big difference in cooking for 100 people on a sub, and 5000 on a carrier. hell the pots they use for cooking corn potatoes etc gotta hold as much as a 55 gallon drum. I think the subs get a 1/3 budget increase for food because of the type of duty they do.